I have been joined for two days by Bryn and Dave who are heading to Chamonix on Sunday for their first Alpine trip. They are both competent climbers, happy at HVS on multi pitch ground and wanted to spend today looking at efficient use of the rope on mountaineering terrain as well as moving together, short pitches and the whole speed versus safety issues of this type of ground. We headed to main cliff on Glyder Fach and the boys lead up Dolmen Ridge (3) (with the alternative start shown in the new scrambling guidebook) with me giving tips and coaching alongside them. After lunch on the Glyders we descended the Gribin Ridge (1) and then descended the Cneifion Arete (3) to look at the same rope skills in descent. A great day moving efficiently over lots of ground.